Is Pope Francis an imposter?

Is Pope Francis an imposter?

Today is the 96th anniversary of the first apparition of Our Lady’s of Fátima.

Later today, in Fátima, Portugal, the archbishop of Rio de Janeiro will consecrate to our Lady the pilgrims he will host for World Youth Day. The college of Portuguese bishops will join him at the shrine to consecrate Francis’ pontificate to our Lady of Fátima, at the pope’s personal request.

Here’s a three minute rundown of the Fátima apparitions for those who don’t know or need reminding:

In view of the supernatural events which occurred at Fátima, and Pope Francis’ evident belief in and devotion to the apparitions, today might be a good day to raise the spectre of mystics and visionaries who claim that Francis is an anti-pope and agent of the anti-Christ.

(I decided I wouldn’t blog about this, since I don’t want to add to its notoriety. But I have heard of priests, in Australia, who felt compelled to denounce these false prophets from the pulpit, such is the misplaced enthusiasm in some parishes.)

The most famous of these visionaries is “Maria Divine Mercy,” an anonymous Irish woman who claims to receive locutions from our Lord and the saints. She shot to fame in the wake of Pope Benedict’s resignation because of a locution she published nearly twelve months earlier, which seemed to prophesy his unusual departure:

My poor Holy Vicar, Pope Benedict XVI, will be ousted from the Holy See in Rome.

Last year, my daughter, I told you of the plot, within the corridors of the Vatican.

A plan to destroy My Holy Vicar was devised in secret on the 17th March, 2011, and this will come to fruition, for it has been foretold.

At the present time, more than eighteen thousand people follow Maria Divine Mercy on Facebook, and who knows how many people have paid for her ebooks?

Jimmy Akin, one of the Catholic sphere’s super-bloggers, wrote about her at length shortly after the election of Pope Francis, and concluded that she’s not worth heeding. His case is compelling, as is the case presented by Prof Mark Miraville, a renowned Mariology expert.

Neither author, though, considers the seed of self-destruction contained in Maria Divine Mercy’s most recent messages. In mid-March, she published a locution which ultimately exposes the lie. Here’s the pertinent part:

There is to be a particular insult, which will be inflicted upon My Holy Name, in an effort to desecrate Me, during Holy Week. This wicked gesture, during Holy Week, will be seen by those who keep their eyes open and this will be one of the signs by which you will know that the imposter, who sits on the throne in My Church on earth, does not come from Me.

I’d like to think that followers of Maria Divine Mercy’s messages paid extra attention to Pope Francis during Holy Week — and were at least perplexed when he didn’t deliver any desecration worthy of the name. The only gesture which remotely comes close was the pope’s Holy Thursday ritual feet-washing, which incorporated women and Muslims.

It was a controversial gesture, to be sure, but a wicked one? A “particular insult,” which desecrates the Lord himself? If this is the best the Anti-Christ can do, then maybe John’s Apocalypse is a bit overhyped.

Personally, though, I’m inclined to stick with the scriptural account and expect much worse from the forces of evil. Speaking of scripture, the Bible provides us with a measure for assessing prophets:

I will give thee a test; If the prophet foretells something in the Lord’s name, and it does not come about, this was no message from the Lord; it was the prophet’s vain conceit that imagined it; let no word of his strike terror into thee. (Deut 18:22)

That leads me to conclude that Maria Divine Mercy is a false prophet. Let no word of hers strike you with terror. Is Pope Francis an imposter? No. There’s nothing to see here. Carry on.

71 Comments

  1. Mark Gliddon
    May 13, 2013

    John. I agree if that is all we have to worry about from the Anti-Christ then we don’t need to worry much. I must admit I was a little bit dubious when the Holy Father departed from the accepted tradition during the foot washing, however, I also acknowledge that as faithful Catholics we need to trust in the wisdom of our Pope and do our best in all humility to follow his lead. I think may are already finding out that HH is no weak liberal, but under the friendly smile is a steely determination of orthodox belief and practice that is calling the Church back to obedience to the Magesterium.

    • Peter Julian
      Jun 22, 2013

      But we don’t really know that yet do we?

      This Maria DM did say that he would initially beguile and fool the masses and at some later point would then implement his apparently diabolical action plan. Certainly Francis seems like a breath of fresh air but is he?

      Revelations is clear that at some point there will be an anti-pope or false prophet. This will be when humanity has reached the height of wickedness

      Given the astounding circumstances of Benedict’s resignation – the first such in 1200 years, I couldn’t think of a more cataclysmic circumstance than this. Can anyone else?

      Neither did I read anywhere that the purported sign had anything to do with feet washing. Where was this actually pointed out??

      If this guy really is the anti-pope then he would be a Mason/Illuminati and his sign, was in all likelihood, some kind of triumphant secret Masonic gesture to the world. i.e I’ve made it to the Seat of Peter.

      Most probably wouldn’t know anyway ’cause they’re ‘secret’ signs.

    • Peter Julian
      Jul 4, 2013

      @ Cathy
      I have to say that I seem to be simply repeating myself.

      You have not addressed my previous points regarding MDM’s alleged contradictions of scripture and Church doctrine. So once again, WHAT are these contradictions? It is no good just saying they contradict if you cannot say how. Your ‘points’ simply lack credibility.

      No.1
      In Sr. Faustina’s 1938 locutions (Divine Mercy), Jesus told Faustina that there was at that time and would continue to be, great apostasy and corruption amongst the bishops and cardinals and that many of them were heading or were already in Hell. That’s awfully damning stuff. This is church-approved material Cathy. Christ was most direct about this.

      We have seen this playing out most visibly regarding the abuse scandals but there is other hidden corruption. MDM as I see it, is reinforcing these approved messages. What is contradictory here? If she is relaying messages from Christ and the BVM which have already been given in previous visitations, then you cannot say she lacks humility or is disobedient with any degree of credibility. Being a seer does not make one arrogant, proud or disobedient by nature.

      No.2
      If the material refers to the false prophet then how can it be supportive of him? That would be an absurdity. We do not know the nature of the present pope and will have to wait and see. Does she submit to the Vicar of Christ? I don’t know. In what way? Has he had any communication with MDM? What exactly is she supposed to be submitting to here? If Revelation relates in part to the false prophet being one of the popes then is it wise or indeed obedient to submit to falsehood if he is actually not of God?

      Bound in heaven and on earth. Does this mean that if the church makes a decision then it can never change its mind again? I used the meat on Fridays example. So if someone ate meat on Friday in the 1950’s they were in danger of going to Hell but not if they ate Friday meat in 2013? That is absurd and an arbitrary and totalitarian approach to doctrine and the nature of God.

      No.3
      You say……“The Truth of My Teachings will soon be declared as irrelevant and untrue……My Vicar has fallen. My Church will fall, but soon it will rise again.”

      Yep this is precisely what Revelations says will happen. Your point being?

      No.4
      You are also misquoting Matt 18:16. Jesus did NOT say the gates of Hell would not prevail against a specific pope but his church as a whole. He refers to the impersonal pronoun “it” here and not ”him” as you wrongly state. A more careful reading is needed here. No-one is calling Jesus a liar therefore.

      You really do need to read Revelation. There is no point pretending this book and Daniel do not exist. They are part of the bible and are especially relevant now as they describe in some detail the end times which many believe we have already entered, based on world events and the explosion of Marian and other apparitions in relation to these events.

      I have already answered what I know about the Australian bishops as a group.

      The bishops may well make statements to “protect their flocks” but if they have not properly read the messages and considered them in the light of faith, scripture and world events then it is best to say nothing about them at present. Many blasted the Medjugorje and other visitations as well and they were proved wrong if you remember.

      Moreover you have not substantiated that the messages direct people away from the faith. They do quite the opposite – as I have laboriously pointed out to you already. Is she worried about assassination or attacks by some in the Illuminati? You know, the organization which has been trying to put the Catholic Church out of business since the Middle Ages? The very same organization of Freemasons which some bishops and cardinals are said to belong to by Faustina if I recall?

      Papal infallibility does not extend to milleniarism. I used the meat on Friday as an example of doctrine which is no more and I feel I am repeating myself. If church law can be changed then it is not infallible and there are only 2 instances of papal infallability pronounced – the Immaculate Conception and the doctrine of infallibility itself. Not milleniarism. So this could well change in the future even if it is a Protestant teaching.

      Please point out where MDM says she will add another book to the bible.

      Before you raise the heavy hand of excommunication I think we should let the authorities decide that question. So far they have not declared her a schismatic or heretic. I think they would have great difficulty justifying such an action given the totality of what she has said.

      Regarding the Deuteronomy quote, it is not established that her prediction has not occurred merely that it has been delayed. That doesn’t mean it won’t happen. She has made a number of other predictions which DID occur exactly when she said they would.

      In relation to this, I understand that with such messages, some events predicted can be mitigated by prayer and fasting if not completely thwarted. This is also the case regarding the 7th secret of Medjugorje and the secret of Fatima re: the spread of communism and Russia’s malevolent influence.

      The sign in the sky prior to a warning is also a Medjugorje prediction. As to the timing, what if this has been delayed due to prayer as with other predicted events in the past? Moreover, Medjugorje speaks of 3 warnings – perhaps the first has already occurred. A trusted priest will advise the world before one of these events occurs. Don’t know which one sorry.

      Cathy you really need to be sure about quoting scripture and what it means. Not misquote it.

      You most definitely need to make yourself aware of Revelation and Daniel of which you seem to be totally unaware and then be sure that what you are saying when you talk about this woman is what she actually said.

      Some of what you say about here quite clearly isn’t what she said at all.

      • Cathy
        Jul 4, 2013

        @ Peter Julian, I wish to disscuss this matter no further, the Bishops of Australia have warned about this MDM woman/ man, “visionary” and I wish to be obedient to my Bishop in regard to this matter. it seems very clear to me that these messages hold very grave Theological problems and directly attack the current Pope.
        The messages have also caused rift between family members and caused disharmony between many good Catholics I know, this to me is a sign of anxiety distress
        and depression from something other than God.
        So no further disscussion on the matter, I stick with The Authority of the Church, the current Pope and trust in Christ to lead His Church without the aid of messages from some unknown scource.
        PAX

      • Cathy
        Jul 4, 2013

        Oh and Pope Benedict did not flee the Vatican, he now resides there under the tital of Emeritus Pope Benedict.
        He also resigned of his own free will.

    • Peter Julian
      Jul 4, 2013

      We can fully accept the scripture you include but once again your reasoning is quite faulty.

      Nowhere does this 6 April 2011 message even imply that any old sexual preference is OK with God. Much less actions or behaviour associated with this.

      As Catholics we are called to use both faith AND reason not just blindly quote bits of scripture to try to understand.

      The message of 6 April says we are not to judge people like homosexuals as only God can do that. Indeed for you to say this, means you have not ready any of her other messages where things like gay marriage are condemned.

      I find your ‘reasoning’ very inconsistent and you have not done your homework regarding all of the messages. Internal consistency is a strong point of these messages.

      Yes actions can be judged and the scriptural exhortation to take two others to point our immoral wrongdoing then if no change, to the community of course applies, and then if no repentance to treat them as a tax-collector or leper i.e exile them or have nothing to do with them.

      That is not the same as people telling others they are going to Hell (which none can know other than God).

      The problem is many people do not know the difference between judging the action and the person’s soul. This scripture is about identifying sin and calling it out. We can name their actions and their sin and tell them to change but are not to condemn them for that sin.

      Moreover you do not differentiate between preferences and living out those sinful lifestyles and as such this would contravene the Catechism of the Catholic Church. People tempted by homosexual desires, like people tempted by improper heterosexual desires, are not sinning until they act upon those desires in some manner.

      Refer Catholic Church Catechism, Part 3, Section 2, Ch2, Article 6: (http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a6.htm)
      Chastity and homosexuality

      2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,141 tradition has always declared that “homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.”142 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

      2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

      2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.

      You cannot just make stuff up and expect people to believe it.

      If you actually had read ALL of this woman’s material you would very quickly see that what you allege is totally inconsistent with everything else she says over they last few years about gay marriage/homosexual behaviour being offensive to God.

      • Cathy
        Jul 4, 2013

        You do realise I used content by Catholic Theologions regarding MDM, its been argued before, maybe you can call them unqualified and incosistant?

        http://www.catholicplanet.com/apparitions/false199.htm

      • Cathy
        Jul 4, 2013

        Here is another article I used, I have met Fr Peter Joseph, highly educated man with a very clear view on matters such as this.
        http://www.christianorder.com/features/features_2004/features_oct04.html

      • Peter Julian
        Jul 4, 2013

        OK that’s fine. We can agree to disagree.

        If these messages cause conflict in families then that is sad but I suggest that is more about how they are received by certain people with a particular mindset (perhaps overly anxious types) rather than the content itself.

        BTW, Benedict HAS actually left the Vatican.

        Leaving the Vatican is meant in the sense that he has left the papal office in the Vatican. It’s not referring to the fact that he might still be actually living in a Vatican residence. That’s pretty trivial by comparison.

        The message is referring to his loss of papal authority as the Vicar of Christ not what his accommodation arrangements might be.

        We have no idea what went on before he left there but you can be sure he was not coping due to the hostile forces surrounding him. He said so himself.

        That is being forced out by any other name.

        In short, whilst he is no longer pope, can I suggest that if the current one turns out to be the wrong one, then Benedict would still have some moral authority as emeritus if he is still alive at that time.

        I understand he relocated the cornerstone of Peter’s tomb before he left office to another country. Perhaps he might even be around to lead the “remnant church” at some future point – if you could believe such a thing that is…

        Peace to you also.

  2. Florence
    May 13, 2013

    Fr John, we are called to live one day at a time. We are called to live by faith and we are called to follow Jesus Christ, Our Lord and Saviour. When we come across Anti-Christ, we will know. We have not come across him as yet and hopefully we will not do so. We must walk in faith with our eyes focused on Our Lord Jesus Christ and He will lead us to Our Heavenly Father. The Catholics of the world have been praying and communism has been defeated. The Catholics have been praying and maybe God has changed the course of events. We have our Pope Francis who has been calling us to evangelise and to proclaim Jesus Christ and He has been encouraging us to be brave. No Anti-Christ will be for Jesus Christ. Let us all continue to pray and God will change the course of events for the good of His Holy Catholic Church and for the world.

    • richard
      May 19, 2013

      Yes. I have read somewhere that everything can change “in a moment” due to the force of reparative prayer.

    • Ramanie
      Jul 11, 2013

      I agree with you. God bless.

  3. MuMu
    May 14, 2013

    Maria Divine Mercy is just the fraudulent flavour of the month. Apparitionists are constantly looking for the Next Big Thing, most of them spin-offs from the Mother of all Fakes, Medjugorje. It all happens because of ignorance of the true faith and of the precepts of the Church regarding visions, etc. It mainly afflicts devotional Catholics and those in the prolife community.
    I wonder sometimes how many priests realise how serious this proliferation of false revelations is? Most people get very snaky when you challenge their pet visions. It seems to get its hooks into peoples’ souls. I have witnessed otherwise good people actually hiss at someone who tells them an apparition has not been approved. Explain that!
    Thank you Fr John, for bringing this dark and slimy issue into the light!

    • Beverley Ann Price
      May 14, 2013

      I think you need to do your research on Medjugorje…. the fruits are astounding, and the 40 million who have gone.. Blessed Pope John Paul 11 had a great love of Medjugorje.. in his letters to his friends….

  4. Clare
    May 15, 2013

    Bev, before you get on your high horse and ask people to research the false apparitions of Medjugorje perhaps you should do some yourself. I myself am nothing, and only through Christ have I been blessed with life and graces. I have a doctorate God allowed me to complete in sacred theology, in dogmatics – so God has blessed me with an authentic and true understanding of the faith. I would strongly suggest you do some more research. In the meantime lets be humble and wait. For your consideration:

    http://www.cathnews.com.au/article.aspx?aeid=7452

    • Beverley Ann Price
      May 22, 2013

      Thanks Clare, I have been to Medjugorje 4 times since 1989 with some beautiful faith filled traditional Priests. Archbishop Denis Hart gave my husband and I permission to have Ivan one of the visionaries from Medjugorje to speak in Parishes around Melbourne and at the Cathedral.. Ivan has been to Australia about four times or more now. Great fruits have come from the visits. Pope John Paul 11 said if he was’nt Pope he would go . Many Bishops and Priests from around the world have gone on Pilgrimage and have seen wonderful fruits . Cardinal Ruini from Rome is leading a commission into Medjugorje.. a first for the Vatican… in this regard. It seems rather positive… Thanks for you reply . Blessings Beverley Ann

      • Cathy
        Jul 3, 2013

        After error itself, the mark of a false mystic is wilfulness and disobedience. I love this quote from Saint Faustina Kowalska: “Satan can even clothe himself in a cloak of humility, but he does not know how to wear the cloak of obedience.” (Diary, par. 939). Genuine mystics, like Saint Pio of Pietrelcina (Padre Pio), are models of obedience. They never pretend to set up Christ against His Church.

    • Peter Julian
      Jun 22, 2013

      Fr. John and Clare are exactly the kind of persons infected with the kind of wilful blindness and intellectual pride that this woman Maria is talking about.

      Clare guess what. Nobody cares about your theology doctorate.

      The mere fact you mention it belies a kind of false modesty anyway. I am also highly qualified and have worked in academia (not theology).

      As such, I am well acquainted with those academics who are too absorbed with their self-perceived intellectual superiority to know what is going on in the real world. Perhaps you don’t inhabit the same world as the rest of us…

      How is it Fr.John that you are an ordained priest and cannot understand the dire nature of these warnings? One could only assume you didn’t do much church history back in the seminary or since.

      I wonder how many times the good Lord and His mother, have to point these same messages to you doubters? Over and over and over again. None so blind as will not see I suggest.

      You… and the rest of us…. are being told. Plain and simple. We’re being told on a DAILY basis now because the world has ignored the previous messages of past ages and we have reached a critical stage in human history.

      Would anyone with their eyes half open say that the world is not now in self-destruct mode?

      Do you seriously believe based on what is plainly evident in 21st Century society and assuming that God does not intend to let modern pagan society destroy itself, that these messages are some kind of hoax?

      Exactly the same accusations were made about all the other approved apparitions and the seers who received them.

      The letters from Maria DM are entirely consistent with;
      a) Book of Revelation
      b) Book of Daniel
      c) EVERY single apparition approved by the Holy See from La Salette (1846) through Fatima, Garabandal, Akita and now Medjugorje (2013).

      Honest to God, some of you so-called true Catholics need to get a grip and sooner rather than later. You need to consider your position as leader of a parish and perhaps surrender this role if you cannot fulfill it properly.

      If you don’t wake up soon to what these messages are saying every single day now, then you will have to get the wake up call during the warning.

      That’s going to be very, very unpleasant apparently for those who refuse to embrace what God has been saying the last 150 odd years.

      Something which was also warned about at Medjugorje.

      • Fr John
        Jun 23, 2013

        Hi Peter Julian. I’m not yet a parish priest, and won’t be for several years yet. I agree with you that I’ve got a lot still to learn. Pax Christi.

      • Cathy
        Jun 23, 2013

        Peter Julian, you may want to remember you are adressing an ordained Priest, respect is something you may want to apply next time.
        Private revelations do not form part of the deposit of faith of the Catholic Church, and its members are not bound to believe in any of them.

        16 Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good[a] Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?”

        17 So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good?[b] No one is good but One, that is, God.[c] But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

        matthew 19:16-17

      • Peter Julian
        Jul 1, 2013

        I apologise for any rudeness Fr. John.

        I suppose I was annoyed with some commentary which simply ignores the state of 21st Century society and what these messages, which I have yet to find contradictory to scripture or church doctrine, purport to achieve.

        At the risk of belabouring the point though, let us suppose that the MDM prophesies are a hoax. At best misguided but nonetheless false.

        If so…. is their central purpose, which is clearly to move people towards a recognition of their sinfulness and seek true repentance before their earthly time is up (be that their separate individual demise or under the form of some cataclysmic event such as The Chastisement) such a bad thing?

        I fail to see why anyone could possibly object to this as the preaching of readiness for the Coming of the Kingdom was surely a central message of Jesus Himself.

        That Christ will return to earth and that “None know either the day nor the hour” is an article of faith.

        So who are we to say that this will not happen in our lifetime? In fact everything I’ve read in Revelations and Daniel suggest that there has never been another period in human history when this would have occurred apart from within our own lifetimes.

        I find it difficult to refute what this MDM is saying – the exception being that the current pope is an imposter.

        He appears to be sound.

        Some will argue that Francis cannot be a false prophet as he was validly elected by by the conclave of Cardinals as guided by the Holy Spirit. This suggests to me three things:

        1. The conclave cannot get it wrong? Well they have in the past. At one stage there were 3 popes. Urban VI (1378-1389) was elected by a conclave under the pressure of the Roman mob to appoint an Italian Pope. A second election deposed Urban and elected Clement VII (1378-1394) who returned to Avignon.The Council of Pisa elected AlexanderV in 1409.

        Moreover, Christ promised that he would be with his church (as I understand it), until the end of time, not with an individual pope who acts ordinarily in concert with the bishops and extraordinarily, by himself.

        So when he gave the Keys to Peter was this also solely to each single successive pope alone or to the Church as a whole because it can hardly be true that the false pope would also have Christ with him. That would be absurd.

        2. This brings the next point. That is, scripture supersedes or rather extinguishes canon law if we have reached a point in history when as Revelations points out, there will be a false pope or prophet. How does this prophet get into the Seat of Peter?

        By election of the conclave of course. How else.

        I suggest, then that if MDM is not false, that this ‘non-erring conclave’ aspect of canon law might now well have been extinguished by the events prophesied in Revelations. It does not however extinguish Jesus promise to be with his church i.e the remnant church as MDM points out.

        3. A compromise position might be that the pope was initially elected a faithful pope but at some future point will become corrupted i.e the false prophet.

        Whilst some of her prophesies are alarming, she also advises readers not to be frightened but joyful given what comes after the Tribulation.

        Cathy, I’m not sure why you quoted those 2 excerpts from scripture.

        I’m aware that private revelations don’t form part of the deposit of faith but it would seem that once Medjugorje is approved ( I understand this is very likely) that the CC will have to amend its own stance that approved apparitions/messages are simply “worthy of belief” to something more directive if the super serious nature of these messages are to be accepted as necessary for the survival of the faithful who will become the ‘remnant church’.

        If you read Medjugorje, you will find MDM’s material is almost exactly the same but in much greater detail.

      • Cathy
        Jul 2, 2013

        @peter julian
        first and foremost If you claim to know better than the Church in discerning private revelation you have missed many important factors re
        regarding MDM theologically. Private revelation and devotion to them is not necessary for salvation, however some people may need or benefit from approved appiritions. I find people who are so caught up in the doom and gloom of some of these apparitions
        seem to get very distracted from the things that matter, namely like yourself adressing a priest with an angry and disrespectful tone. I am glad you apologised.
        medjugorje is very different in tone and message from MDM and have readily submitted to Curch Authority for investigation, the woman behind MDM hides her identity and refuses to submit to Authority for invstigation, dead givaway.

      • Peter Julian
        Jul 3, 2013

        @ Cathy
        I’ve apologised for overstepping the mark. OK so here goes…

        I think you’re missing the point. Having spent some time in tertiary education I am accustomed to robust debate – perhaps you are not…

        I’m aware that apparitions are not considered necessary for salvation. Whilst some people do focus on doom and gloom, if you read the entirety of the MDM stuff then compare it to the Medjugorje and some previous approved apparitions, you will find strong correlations and confirmations amongst them.

        There are 1o secrets relating to Medjugorje and at least one of these relates to a divine warning and another to a great chastisement as I recall.

        I think you are getting too caught up with the tone of MDM rather than its content.

        If, as the BVM states at Medjugorje, this is the very last time she will appear on earth, then it stands to reason, given the content of her messages, that something significant is about to occur. Is perhaps even imminent. Certainly she has been appearing in Bosnia for some 30 odd years – by far the longest period of any the approved apparitions.

        It therefore resonates that these later MDM messages will take on a more urgent and intense nature if they are the last ones. Nevertheless, this MDM says a number of times that people should be joyful and not frightened if they are working towards a state of grace. The imperative tone which I see, is for those who have disdain for God.

        Rather than thinking I know better, it’s more of a case of not placing a rather naive trust in the church hierarchy to decide matters especially when time appears to be critical.

        Many bishops and cardinals have clearly long lost their authority in the eyes of many laity and wider society. They have caused this themselves. Some are welded to 1950’s notions of church authority, power and status rather than a true pastoral care of the flocks entrusted to them. Some also seem to be irresponsibly unaware about what is going on in the world around them.

        It is first and foremost the local bishop who has authority to decide the veracity of local apparitions/locutions but the Vatican can be invited to take over. i.e He can decide they are true, false or he’s unsure and needs help.

        The only essential consideration aside from the medical, psychological and moral seriousness of the seer, is that the message(s) lead people to God and not away and that they do not contradict faith and morals. There is a fixation by some theologians however on the format or process for approval – which date back to the 1970’s.

        In every church-approved visitation I can think of, the seers were ignored, actively opposed, even persecuted by church hierarchy, adhering, as you put it, to these theological considerations and/or who seemed envious or fearful. Or both.

        Indeed, some messages such as those of Faustina circa 1938, highlighted exactly the kind of failure, corruption and dereliction of duty of many bishops and cardinals. This, btw is an approved apparition. Ultimately, nine were approved in the 20th Century.

        Even now, the current bishop of Mostar in Bosnia is opposed to the Medjugorje messages.

        Not just undecided or circumspect but actually hostile.
        He is an obstructionist to the critical importance of these messages for unaware sinners. There seem a number of such bishops in Australia.

        In Brisbane and Melbourne, the archbishops there have unilaterally opposed MDM without having even read all of it. I believe they are cocooned obstructionists, not just cautious but timid when courage and wisdom is called for. Leaders who have lost their sense of the supernatural, seem obsessed with form and procedure and oblivious to the signs of our times.

        Apart from the stuff about the anti-pope (which remains to be confirmed) they have not pointed out a single thing which contradicts Catholic faith and morals. This position is untenable.

        I agree with other bloggers, who state that bishops exceed their authority, especially if they are not in the diocese where alleged apparitions occur, in making any definitive statements about their veracity.

        Perhaps it is time that the theology was revisited.

      • Cathy
        Jul 3, 2013

        @ Peter Julian,
        can you confirm the Australian Bishops have not read the MDM messages?
        MDM in my opinion is a fake.
        it is incomatible with scripture.
        here is a link outlining the problems with MDM, she even may be getting messages from the otherside, the devil can wear any costume, except that of obedience which stands out in the refusal to submit to church Authority for investigation, if you cannot see this as alarming then you are indeed blind.
        http://blog.newadvent.org/2013/03/a-closer-look-at-false-prophecies-of.html

        1. Truth. God is truth and cannot inspire anything but truth in a soul. If a person believed to be inspired by God, therefore, maintains opinions that are manifestly against revealed truth, the infallible teach­ing of the Church, or proven theology or philosophy or science, it must be concluded that the individual is deluded by the devil or is the victim of excessive imagination or faulty reasoning.

        2. Gravity. God is never the cause of things that are useless, futile, frivolous, or impertinent. When his spirit moves a soul it is always for something serious and beneficial.

        3. Enlightenment. Although one may not always understand the meaning of an inspiration from God, the effect of any divine movement or impulse is always enlightenment and certitude rather than darkness and confusion. This is true both for the effects on the individual who receives the inspiration and its effects on others.

        4. Docility. Souls that are moved by the spirit of God accept cheer­fully the advice and counsel of their directors or others who have authority over them. This spirit of obedience, docility, and submission is one of the clearest signs that a particular inspiration or movement is from God. This is especially true in the case of the educated, who have a greater tendency to be attached to their own opinions.

        5. Discretion. The spirit of God makes the soul discreet, prudent, and thoughtful in all its actions. There is nothing of precipitation, light­ness, exaggeration, or impetuosity; all is well balanced, edifying, seri­ous, and full of calmness and peace.

        6. Humility. The Holy Spirit always fills the soul with sentiments of humility and self-effacement. The loftier the communications from on high, the more profoundly the soul inclines to the abyss of its own nothingness. Mary said, ‘I am the servant of the Lord. Let it be done to me as you say’ (Lk 1:38).

        7. Peace. St. Paul speaks frequently of the peace that comes from God (Rom 15:33, Phil 4:9), and Jesus mentions peace as one of the manifestations of his spirit (Jn 14:27). This is a quality that always accompanies communications from God; the soul experiences a pro­found and stable serenity in the depths of its spirit.” (pp. 402-3)

        Signs of the diabolical spirit

        “…[S]ince the devil may disguise himself as a good spirit and even cause what appears to be authentic mystical phenomena, it is helpful to mention briefly the various signs of the diabolical spirit.
        1. Spirit of falsity. The devil is the father of lies, but he cleverly conceals his deceit by half-truths and pseudo-mystical phenomena.

        2. Morbid curiosity. This is characteristic of those who eagerly seek out the esoteric aspects of mystical phenomena or have a fascina­tion for the occult or preternatural.

        3. Confusion, anxiety, and deep depression.
        4. Obstinacy. One of the surest signs of a diabolical spirit.
        5. Constant indiscretion and a restless spirit. Those who constantly go to extremes, as in penitential exercises or apostolic activity, or ne­glect their primary obligations to do some personally chosen work.

        6. Spirit of pride and vanity. Very anxious to publicize their gifts of grace and mystical experiences.

        7. False humility. This is the disguise for their pride and self-love.

        8. Despair, lack of confidence, and discouragement. A chronic characteristic that alternates with presumption, vain security, and un­founded optimism.” (p. 412)

      • Cathy
        Jul 3, 2013

        After error itself, the mark of a false mystic is wilfulness and disobedience. I love this quote from Saint Faustina Kowalska: “Satan can even clothe himself in a cloak of humility, but he does not know how to wear the cloak of obedience.” (Diary, par. 939). Genuine mystics, like Saint Pio of Pietrelcina (Padre Pio), are models of obedience. They never pretend to set up Christ against His Church.

      • Peter Julian
        Jul 4, 2013

        @Cathy

        Sorry if this is a bit long but you are not substantiating your opinion with any facts.

        You keep saying it’s contrary to scripture but you fail to state what exactly is contradictory! So what is she saying that is so patently against scripture and doctrine, faith and morals??

        I’m aware that Satan can impersonate – he tried this at Medjugorje with those visionaries.

        In fact, most of the visions claimed around the world each year are not approved by the CC. That, btw does not make them false, but simply not approved by the Church.

        So MDM *might* be getting messages from the dark side but is she in fact? This is the whole point. I think not given the correlations with other longstanding apparitions and locutions.

        Mark Miravalle’s opinion piece is exactly that. His opinion.

        He has no authority to make pronouncements on this or other alleged divine messages. i.e you don’t have to accept any of what he says.

        Nevertheless the link you provided STILL does not address my main point. Precisely what dimension of scripture or Catholic doctrine is being contradicted by MDM? Miravelle does not define any contradiction.

        Of Fr. Rene’s summary points one would have to conclude that:

        1) There is no apparent lack of conformity with faith and morals (as I have been saying all along). IF there are, then again, please clearly point these out.

        2) The MDM messages are interior locutions rather than visual apparitions. As such, they are of a form which is consistent with the mystical tradition of the Church.

        3) Do the messages bring about (or intend to bring about), greater conversion; spiritual peace; spiritual joy; new or renewed faith, trust, and charity; and greater fidelity to and union with the Church?

        I would say that is exactly what they are doing. If they don’t then you would have to say that Fatima, Garabandal, Akita and La Salette are also wrongly approved by the Church because they contain frightening visions of Hell, the Warning and the Chastisement. Ditto the Divine Mercy and Medjugorje stuff. A personal apprehension at some of the messages again, does not make them invalid.

        I don’t know whether all the Australian bishops have read the entirety of her messages.

        What I do know is that the Brisbane bishop has said he has only read some of them and yet feels he is able to make a very general but authoritative judgement about them.

        He also fails to indicate how MDM contradicts Church doctrine or scripture but says it is false and corrosive without providing any evidence except a point about millenarianism. See: (http://adriansharp.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/abp-coleridge-ordinariate-and-maria-divine-mercy.pdf).

        On the point of millenarianism, the question must be asked….is this an incontrovertible article of faith?

        You see, eating meat on Fridays was once a mortal sin – an article of faith – but now all of a sudden is not. How can this be? Either it is a mortal sin and a doctrine of the Church or it is not. If this was wrong and can be changed, so presumably could the CC view about millenarianism.

        Re: Points 1-7 : I don’t see what points you’re making here.

        1. Spirit of falsity.
        That is the main question of course. Are they false? You think so. I do not.

        2. Morbid curiosity.
        That some people are morbid about the MDM stuff? Maybe, but that does not make them invalid. This is in fact common with all, even approved apparitions.
        That MDM has not submitted to church investigation? She has not been asked to as far as we know.

        3. Confusion, anxiety, and deep depression….

        What exactly are you saying is confusing about these messages? I find a high degree of internal consistency throughout with themes of penance, conversion, serious sin and lack of regard for God and impending punishment some of these. Along with the indescribable joy of the New Jerusalem. The messages are remarkably consistent in fact both internally and externally with previous ones.

        4. Obstinacy. One of the surest signs of a diabolical spirit.

        5. Constant indiscretion and a restless spirit.

        Not sure at all why you included these two. What obstinancy? And does she seem arrogant in her writings? I can’t see this. Extremist? Malicious? Does she neglect her children?

        In fact, she constantly refers to her own feelings of unworthiness and struggle to fulfil what is allegedly asked of her by Jesus and Mary. It seems quite the contrary. She can hardly be accused of indiscretion given her anonymity.

        6. Spirit of pride and vanity.

        She allegedly has been told to spread these messages as quickly and widely as possible. Isn’t this exactly what ALL visionaries/locutors are supposed to do with their messages – otherwise what is their point? It is not to keep them to oneself. More so in this case, she indicates that the urgency to spread them is now great.

        7. False humility.
        Again, not sure why you refer to this. Refer to 5.

        8. Despair, lack of confidence, and discouragement.

        A number of times, MDM states that those in a state of grace or working towards this (as we all indeed should be) should be joyful about these messages not morbid. Those who ignore and hate God are the ones who should be alarmed. Fair point I would have thought and entirely consistent with scripture and doctrine.

        Moreover, she has already proved correct about a number of predictions made which have eventuated.

        The only real sticking point I find is her assertions about the pope. I have read elsewhere that there is growing unease amongst both laity and clergy in Rome regarding Francis but no more than that.

        It is difficult to accept but if you know Revelation, one of the popes WILL prove to be the false prophet. Is it this one? I don’t know.

        BTW, she hasn’t been disobedient to anyone.

        She has said she must not reveal herself at this point and no-one has demanded she do so for examination anyway so this is a non-issue.

      • Cathy
        Jul 4, 2013

        @Peter Julian
        The fruits visibly manifested by false prophets includes:

        The nature of the massage. Does it agree with laid down truth of the sacred Scripture? Does it contain doctrinal errors, and teaches false assumptions.
        The content of the massage of miracle; Does the miracle, the prophecies, the signs etc contain malicious attacks on the one custodian of Truth, the Church and the Vicar of Christ, Peter, and the Popes, and by extension, the Bishops, the Priests, who are the accredited leaders of the Church.
        The life of the individual persons, is the seer humble, and obedient? Does the seer submit to the visible head of Christ on earth, to whom Christ in Peter said,” whatever you bound on earth is bound in heaven, and whatever you consider loose in heaven is considered loose in heaven” Mt 18:18.

        message dated 14 feb 2013
        The Truth of My Teachings will soon be declared as irrelevant and untrue. My Father’s Rage at this infestation in My Church, on earth, will soon be felt amongst his servants, in My Church in Rome. This is the final battle. My Vicar has fallen. My Church will fall, but soon it will rise again.

        hmmm calling Jesus a liar

        And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. Matt 18:16
        EVER!
        so to claim it will somehow fall is a rediculous notion, that calls these messages into a big question mark!

        One of the messages targets Australia and New Zealand by name, I only see it fitting that Australian Bishops comment and make statements regarding this MDM following.
        They are consecrated Men and Hold the Office of a Bishop, they are entitled to guide their flock from anything that leads them away from the important fundamentals of our faith.
        The book titled ” the book of truth” seems to have been given unapproved authority as gospal, if this book be truth as it claims, why does the seer hide behind curtains and fail to present herself and her book for proper investigation and approval?
        Also you claimed the Bshops not to have read the messages, can you confirm this, or is this your general assuption?

        This anonymous visionary believes and teaches the heresy of millenarianism, the schismatic error of anti-papalism, and the heretical claim that she will write a new book that will become part of the Bible. Therefore, she is automatically excommunicated from the Catholic Church for the sins of heresy and schism under Canon law.
        Canon 751: “Heresy is the obstinate denial or obstinate doubt after the reception of baptism of some truth which is to be believed by divine and Catholic faith; apostasy is the total repudiation of the Christian faith; schism is the refusal of submission to the Supreme Pontiff or of communion with the members of the Church subject to him.”

        Canon 1364 §1: “an apostate from the faith, a heretic, or a schismatic incurs a latae sententiae excommunication.

        “And if you say in your heart,’ How may we know the word which the Lord has not spoken?’ – when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is the word which the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously, you need not be afraid of him.” (Deuteronomy 18:21-22)

        On 16th June 2011, the ‘warningsecondcoming’ website carried this notice on its front page:

        ‘THE WARNING IS CLOSE ‘THE EVENT WILL TAKE PLACE IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS ‘TWO COMETS WILL CLASH, SKY TO TURN RED, CROSS IN THE SKY ‘MILLIONS WILL REPENT AS A RESULT OF THIS WARNING
        ‘IT IS A GREAT ACT OF GOD’S MERCY ONE OF THE GREATEST EVENTS IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND.’

        Shortly before the end of 2011, this notice was removed from the site.

      • Cathy
        Jul 4, 2013

        The message of 6 Apr 2011 claims: “No one has the power or divine knowledge to make any moral assessment of others.”

        The true teaching of the Faith is that Jesus taught us not to judge persons: “Do not judge, so that you may not be judged.” (Mt 7:1). But He certainly also taught us to judge actions: “And why do you not, even among yourselves, judge what is just?” (Lk 12:57). If a person robs a bank, we should not judge the soul of that person, saying, “that person is evil”. But we certainly can and should judge the action, saying: “that act is evil.”

        Do we have divine knowledge so as to make a moral assessment of the actions of another person? Yes, for we have Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture, and the teachings of the Magisterium. These three sources of Divine Knowledge teach us moral truths, so that we may distinguish good from evil. The claim that we have no such knowledge essentially tells people to ignore the teachings of Tradition, Scripture, Magisterium on morality.

        The message of April 6th 2011 is titled: “Never judge other religions, creeds or sexual preferences.” This message portrays Jesus as using the phase ‘sexual preferences’ repeatedly. The phrase implies that sexual orientation is merely a personal preference. But Jesus condemned every type of fornication (sexual sin), and He also condemned homosexuality as inherently disordered, and as leading toward grave sin:

        [Mark]
        {7:21} For from within, from the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
        {7:22} thefts, avarice, wickedness, deceitfulness, homosexuality, an evil eye, blasphemy, self-exaltation, foolishness.
        {7:23} All these evils procede from within and pollute a man.”

        The message of April 6th 2011 does not merely tell people not to judge persons, but not to judge actions, even those directly contrary to the moral law. This message is contrary to the teaching of the Church and of the Gospels.
        “Never tell those of different creeds or sexual preferences they are doomed To push My teachings in a manner where you tell those who are not followers that they will perish or come to harm by brandishing their ways as ‘evil’ will simply render them weaker than before.” (message of 6 Apr 2011)
        The above message mixes some truth with error. We should not judge persons, telling them they are doomed (condemned), since they might repent. But some persons certainly do live ways that are morally evil. Sacred Scripture condemns these ways of living that lead to eternal condemnation:

        [Galatians]
        {5:19} Now the works of the flesh are manifest; they are: fornication, lust, homosexuality, self-indulgence,
        {5:20} the serving of idols, drug use, hostility, contentiousness, jealousy, wrath, quarrels, dissensions, divisions,
        {5:21} envy, murder, inebriation, carousing, and similar things. About these things, I continue to preach to you, as I have preached to you: that those who act in this way shall not obtain the kingdom of God.

        The message of 6 Apr 2011 contradicts this passage from Sacred Scripture. It is a message designed to appeal to those believers who have been led astray by modern society into thinking that sexual orientation is merely a preference that is not in itself morally disordered. To the contrary, the Catholic Church teaches:
        “Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that ‘homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.’ They are contrary to the natural law.” (CCC, n. 2357).

        “Although the particular inclination of the homosexual person is not a sin, it is a more or less strong tendency ordered toward an intrinsic moral evil; and thus the inclination itself must be seen as an objective disorder.” (Cardinal Ratzinger, Pastoral Care of Homosexual Persons)

  5. Clare
    May 15, 2013

    Remember at Fatima, Theotokos said that more people go to hell for sins of the flesh then anything else. Never forget that.

  6. jeff
    May 17, 2013

    Fr. John,

    I would not be so quick to judge MDM. If you read the messages, there is nothing heretical in them.

    They speak repeatedly about the doctrinal teachings of The Church, especially when it comes to abortion and gay marriage.

    I have not heard one peep from this Pope about any of the critical issues facing The Church, especially when it comes to abortion and gay marriage.

    He does have time to meet with one of the worlds arch criminals, Ban Ki Moon, from the UN, within the forst 60 days of his Pontificate. That’s strange.

    Please read the prophecies given to the Great Saint Francis of Assisi shortly before he died.

    There is more to Francis than meets the eye. Only time will tell.

    • Fr John
      May 17, 2013

      Yes, but Jeff, how can anyone reconcile the Holy Week prophecy with what actually happened in Holy Week?

      I hear there are some MDM advocates who are endorsing her message minus the implicit but clear rejection of Pope Francis.

      In other words, 99.5 per cent of her stuff is good . . . That’s straight from the enemy’s playbook. “The devil’s in the detail,” as they say.

      Insofar as MDM’s claims correlate with approved apparitions and canonised saints, my advice is to stick with the latter and the latter alone!

      • Jeff
        May 17, 2013

        Fr. John,

        We cannot speak for Christ. The wicked gesture that is mentioned by MDM, may not be a big deal to you, but, in God’s eyes, it may have been.

        For me, it was greatly disturbing, at the very least!

        I am not promoting these messages by MDM. I am watching and waiting. Again, only time will tell.

      • Fr John
        May 17, 2013

        That’s a fair point Jeff. I guess the Holy Week prophecy is ultimately only a rationalisation for my rejection of the messages, not the rationale. It’s the undermining of a pope before he is even elected which really makes me uneasy.

        But to watch and wait, as you say, is the advisable course. And pray pray pray, as Our Lady exhorts.

        Pax.

      • Babs
        Jun 6, 2013

        If people didn’t recognize the “wicked gesture” on Holy Week is because they are ignorant of what really happened. The Freemasons actually celebrate Holy Thursday but they give it a different meaning than Catholics. As Freemasons all over the world, they gather together on Holy Thursday to celebrate the Universal Fraternity of Mankind, regardless of their race or creed. 32 degree Mason, Loyd E Meyer writes, “Brethren of all faiths can participate in the Masonic observance of Maundy Thursday.” This of course is far DIFFERENT from what Catholics gather together for on Holy Thursday. Holy Thursday is the day on which Catholics commemorate the institution of three pillars of the Catholic Faith: the Sacrament of Holy Communion, the priesthood, and the Mass. I am posting this link of a Freemasons describing the meaning of Holy Thursday. Beware that he manipulates the scriptures to serve his philosophical needs. He combines two different incidents that happened between Jesus and his Apostles, and then says that they happened together when in fact the Apostles arguing among themselves and the last supper are two separate events. But is it really that unusual for someone to tweek the scriptures to try to prove an invalid argument. FREEMASON MEANING OF HOLY THURSDAY http://204.3.136.66/council/journal/mar00/meyer.html

        Furthermore, the Freemasons have always seen the papacy as the enemy of Freemasons. When one reaches a certain high degree, the ceremony requires stomping on a papal tiara. In the United States, one of the leaders of freemasonry, Gen. Albert Pike (d. 1891), referred to the papacy as “a deadly, treacherous enemy,” For the first time in their history the Freemasons are rejoicing at Jorge Bergoglio becoming Pope. In a second article in Masonic Times, they were quite elated that Jorge was selected Pope on the 187th anniversary since Pope Leo XII issued the Quo Graviora Papal Bull a document against Freemasonry. http://masonictimes.blogspot.com/2013/03/freemasons-of-italy-and-argentina.html

      • Lily
        Jun 27, 2013

        If we waited for Fatima to be approved the mission of the Blessed Mother wouldn’t have been accomplished. It would of been hidden in the “closet” & stayed there.

        Before the first coming of Christ there were many, many prophets–much more than are recorded in the Bible. This is according to historical facts & Blessed Anne Catherine Emerich–who was allowed to witness the past–even the creation of the universe. So, why then would you not think there wouldn’t be many prophets before His second coming?

        One needs to read the messages given to Maria of Diving Mercy, to make a proper discernment. When you do, ask yourself, “Is this God speaking?” Pray on it if you’re not sure. You should then know. A true follower of Christ will know if it is from God. “I know Mine & Mine know Me.”

    • Janet
      May 20, 2013

      You said “not be quick to judge” her Jeff…..Isn’t her spreading the lie that Our Pope is an imposter reason enough to judge her?

  7. Cathy
    May 17, 2013

    Here is an article that may interest regarding MDM.
    It is quite a good summery of the Theological concerns regarding the messages of this following.
    http://www.motherofallpeoples.com/2013/03/maria-divine-mercy-a-theological-evaluation/

    • Jeff
      May 17, 2013

      Mary,

      Thanks for the link. I have already read Miravalle’s comments. You do not have to like a Pope to be in full communion with The Church. Miravalle is presenting his opinion only.

      As far as I know, to be is schism, you would have to reject the doctrinal teachings of The Church. I am not doing that, and MDM is not either. I am not a canon lawyer, and neither is Miravalle.

      You have to read these messages carefully without pride or predjudice. I would also suggest to you to google the prophecies given to St. Francis of Assisi shortly before he died. There are inferences in those prophecies that pertain to the time we are living in.

      So far, I am unimpressed with this Pope. The whole world is behind him. He is still an unknown, except for those in Argentina.

      Again, only time will tell.

      • Cathy
        May 17, 2013

        I think we must all have faith in Jesus Christ And the Holy Spirit to Guide His Church.
        The article link I posted raises some interesting issues, however it is better to await the Churches decision on these matters and approach it with caution.
        I personally quite like Pope Francis, i beleive he has been chosen by the Holy Spirit for our time, and this may become apparent in the future.

    • Lily
      Jun 27, 2013

      motherofallpeoples is NOT the Church. This is just a bunch of people like anyone else though some may be theologians. There were other anti-popes elected in the conclave before. There’s been evil in the Church since Its beginnings. This doesn’t mean the Catholic Church is evil. God is perfect & His Church is perfect. People who may be in the Church & evil spirits are NOT perfect & have contaminated the Church. As confusing as this sounds, try to imagine a baby is innocent but can be defiled & abused by a wicked adult. This still doesn’t mean the baby is no longer innocent; but the baby will now suffer because of this. Our Holy Church is suffering because of the attacks of evil people & evil spirits.

  8. Bernadette
    May 17, 2013

    Maria of Divine Mercy in a ‘message’ dated Tuesday, January 31st, 2012 outlines a prayer and says:

    “They must say this prayer for seven consecutive days and they will be given the gift of total absolution and the power of the Holy Spirit.”

    This clearly infers that mortal sin can be absolved by this method. Therefore, these messages are not consistent with the teaching of the Church. In fact, the repercussions of such a message are startling to ponder.

    As for me, I’ll obey Archbishop Hart who has urged parishes to avoid MDM and her ‘messages’.

    • Jeff
      May 18, 2013

      Bernadette,,

      You are misreading something here in this message. In no way has MDM ever advocated, that there are any substitutes for any of the sacraments. Several of the messages have stated that we all need to receive the sacraments as often as possible.

      To Cathy’s point, I do not inject my personal like or dislikes into the discussion of Pope Francis. So far, I am not impressed by some of the things that he has done. I am very disturbed by them.

      One of the messages from MDM does cleary state that this Pope will seek out approval from world leaders, and that has already been done, by his meeting with Ban Ki Moon of the UN, and other heads of state.

      He refuses to address the much needed reforms that must continue of the Novus Ordo Mass and other things related to Vatican II.

      Pope Benedict is a reformer, this man is not.

      Again, it is early, and only time will tell. I truly hope I am wrong about Pope Francis.

  9. Fr John
    May 18, 2013

    This is my advice to anyone who is an MDM devotee.

    As things stand, wholehearted devotion to Maria Divine Mercy and wholehearted devotion to Pope Francis are irreconcilable. Only one of them can be given benefit of the doubt.

    Since Francis is our holy father, whom the Church obliges us to pray for and the saints encourage us to love and foster filial affection towards, it is he, not MDM, who should receive the benefit of the doubt.

    Meantime, if MDM’s messages are to be read, match the time spent in that reading with reading of the Sacred Scriptures.

    • Cathy
      May 18, 2013

      Yay Father John!
      very wise words!!!!

      • MuMu
        May 18, 2013

        Well spoken, Father John. You’ve put it in a nutshell.

    • Jeff
      May 19, 2013

      Fr. John,

      I certainly would not classify myself as a devotee of MDM. I will not judge or condemn her either. That is not for me to do, nor The Church.

      As always, these things have a way of working out, one way or another.

      Look at all of the people who bought into the fraud at Medjgorge.

      However, I am still not impressed by what I see so far, from Pope Francis. I do pray for him, Pope Benedict, and The Church, daily.

      The Church is corrupt at its core. The free masons, who have had a hold on the Roman Curia since Vatican II, are also the ones who recruited all of these homosexuals into the seminaries. These types did not make it into the seminaries by accident!

      So, yes we must pray for Pope Francis, but meeting with criminal types like Ban Ki Moon from the U.N. when there are much more pressing issues, like getting rid of the homo-mafia inside the Vatican, to me doesn’t make much sense.

  10. Lovey
    May 20, 2013

    There certainly are many errors about Church teachings in the messages. They are couched in advice that is good such as, “pray the rosary, go to confession, go to daily mass, etc.” Wouldn’t Satan be a fool NOT to tout mostly good actions in order to gain credibility as he promotes evil? These messages are designed to create a church schism by prying open the fissure that already exists; traditionalists desiring for the church to return to the old ways.

    Thank you for your article father. I have written about the MDM messages on my blog, and based on the responses I get, once a person latches on to the messages something happens to them where they will try and justify their belief no matter what valid argument you present. It does no good to argue, as you can see. They are convinced and no prominent theologian, priest, or bishop can convince them. Not even when the Slovakian Conference of Bishops officially condemned these visions six months ago. (see article link below)

    What we need to do is pray hard for those who are deceived. This is my article: http://www.miraculousrosary.blogspot.com/2013/02/maria-divine-mercy-deception-of-satan.html

    There is a group on Facebook working to save souls from this diabolical movement. Please “Like” the page, “Maria Divine Mercy – True or False?”

    Father, the MDM group is planning on hosting informative meetings across the United States starting in June. The church hierarchy needs to know so that no meetings are inadvertently held on any church property.

    May God bless our Holy Father Pope Francis!

    • MuMu
      May 20, 2013

      Love your post, Lovey. Do NOT love the effect unapproved apparitions/visions/prophesies have on people who believe them. Methinks: silly apparition takes hold of soul, genuine faith drains away. So sad. So many taken in by patent rubbish.

  11. jeff
    May 21, 2013

    Lovey,

    Please read my earlier post. These things have a way of working themselves out.

    Only time will tell. For instance, if God-forbid, Pope Benedict were to die soon, MDM would immediately fade away into the history books as another fraud.

    For those who believe in the fairytale of Medjgorge, please google E. Michael Jones’s extensive investigation into that matter.

    Regardless, to be a faithful Catholic, we do not have to accept any of the Marian messages from anyone.

    The bottom line is, be watchful for any new “changes” to the liturgy that Bergoglio’s close friend Cardinal Humes has said were coming.

    Also, read carefully the prophecies give to St. Francis of Assisi shortly before he died.

    Pray for The Church, for Pope Benedict & Francis, and pray that the freemasons and the homo-mafia that has a stranglehold within The Vatican is taken out.

  12. MuMu
    May 22, 2013

    To properly investigate the authenticity of the alleged apparitions at Medjugorje, I recommend putting the link below into your browser, or simply Google Official Documents on Medjugorje and FAQS. But only if you are interested in the truth. As far as I can ascertain, Medj. fails each and every test of the genuine private revelation.

    http://medjugorjedocuments.blogspot.com.au/2010/09/should-bishops-allow-seers-of.html

  13. Cathy
    May 23, 2013

    MuMu,
    can you list the reasons why you think Medjegorje is a fake?
    I do beleive that Medjegorje is still under investigation by the Vatican and they have not made an official ruling over the matter, because the messages have not said anything directly adverse toward the Church or the Pope, and promotes a message of hope and peace, as well as repentance and fasting.
    Maybe we should all wait and see the Churches final verdict on
    the matter and trust in Christ and his promise to lead his Church.

    In regard to MDM, these messages are very bitter and do not spread a message of hope, but rather despair. They also slander the good name of the current Pope as an imposter and basically calls Christ a liar in doing so because as it says in scripture,

    And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. Matt 16:18

    Secondly MDM has given dates of Events that have not come to pass.
    The message of May 31, 2011 calls people to prepare for the “Warning” ( a God-granted “illumination of conscience,” the prediction of which is found in other Marian messages) which would take place “within a few months” from the May 31, 2011 date: “Prepare now for this event [the Warning] for you have only a few months left to prepare your souls” (May 31, 2011). The predicted event did not take place within a few months, or even a year, after the May 31, 2011 prediction.

    This false prophesy rings alarm bells, for as it says In scripture,

    When a prophet speaks in the name of Yahweh and the thing does not happen and the word is not fulfilled, then it has not been said by Yahweh. The prophet has spoken presumptuously. You have nothing to fear from him.’ Deuteronomy 18:22

  14. MuMu
    May 24, 2013

    Cathy, if you had read the pronouncements of the Bishop of Mostar, his predecessor and the Zadar Commission, I don’t believe you would be asking me this question. I have stated my reasons before on this blog. Once more.
    My subjective reasons, apart from accepting and adhering to the legitimate authority of the Church (the bishops of the diocese concerned), the behaviour, attitudes and alarming reactions of Catholics when it is suggested that Medjugorge does not have the endorsement of the bishops, nor, if you believe Bp Peric, the confidence of a single diocesan priest in Mostar.
    Catholics who have angrily defended Medj to me have invariably been ignorant of the protocols by which the Church judges alleged private revelation – not only ignorant, but hostile to the very idea of searching for the truth.
    The other thing which has convinced me (speaking subjectively) is their universal lack of interest in the messages of Fatima.
    To imagine Our Lady would say the same thing over and over about 45,00 times – is stretching credulity to the point of snapping.
    I have read extensively on Medj, but even if not, what I have witnessed in its adherents is enough to make me believe it is the greatest religious fraud in history.
    When I asked a young man recently whether he would be obedient to the Pope if the Holy See gave a negative judgement on Medj. he was silent.
    I’m not interested in arguing further on this subject because it is a waste of keyboard work. Medjugoogoo is quicksand for millions of Catholics.

  15. Cathy
    May 24, 2013

    MuMu,
    I am sorry if I came across as angrily deafending Medjugorje, actually I am neither for nor against it. In regard to the your man remaining silent regarding a negative judgment on the matter, he does not represent faithful Catholics. I myself would always follow the final decision made by the Authority of the Church regarding Medjugorje. I am rather concerned at the nature of those who are quick to use the term Medjagoogoo as it is rather offputting. Private revelations do not form part of the deposit of faith of the Catholic Church, and its members are not bound to believe in any of them. However, as a matter of prudence, assent would normally be expected of a Catholic based on the discernment of the Church and its judgment that an apparition is worthy of belief. I will not trouble you any further on the matter, and hope you have a lovely week end!
    PAX

  16. Renee / Gianna
    May 28, 2013

    I stand behind Maria Divine Mercy and the Heavenly messages.Those who refused the Seal of The Living God will one day soon find themselves in a panic looking for the Seal that they refused,and it wont be found and it will be to late.It seems to me that the a/c is working in overdrive for he knows his reign will be SHORT!!!We know that the road to Heaven will be narrow and thorny,but we will prevail with a very SUCCESSFUL U.S. mission / tour,many will awaken when the changes are seen in the Holy Mass as they will NOT come from God.

    • Cathy
      May 29, 2013

      Private revelations do not form part of the deposit of faith of the Catholic Church, and its members are not bound to believe in any of them.
      MDM has dates and false predictions.

      As one reads in scripture regarding the second Coming of Christ.

      “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son. Matt 24:36

      • MuMu
        May 29, 2013

        Amen, Sister. Thanks for posting the bottom line.

      • Alex Lim
        Jun 2, 2013

        People obviously forget that there is no sin in disbelieving a private revelation, even those of Fatima and Lourdes. Because such things never form part of the Deposit of Faith and as such, are not necessary for your salvation. But when one adheres to the messages of this fake prophet MDM who is clearly disobedient to the Pope, you risk your immortal soul, especially when you agree that Pope Francis is the false prophet or anti pope. You add to your sin when you start preaching about these message without a clear approval from the Church, since yo commit the sin of scandal when you allow other people to commit the same sin. And if you take holy communion with such a sin, you further commit mortal

    • MuMu
      May 29, 2013

      I rest my case.

      • Cathy
        May 30, 2013

        Hey MuMu,
        I was thinking about your previous statement from one of your post above, “To imagine Our Lady would say the same thing over and over about 45,00 times – is stretching credulity to the point of snapping.”

        Hmm sounds like my life as a mother, I tell my children the same thing over and over again, to the point of snapping haha!
        I tell them over and over, stop fighting with your brothers and sisters, treat each other kindly, stop thinking of yourself, share your toys, help each other……
        The list gets on……

    • Paul C Jakubik
      Jun 17, 2013

      Dear Renee/Gianna,
      I have read some of the messages of MDM and while they “appear” authentic, after praying to the Holy Spirit for discernment of the truth, I am convinced they are a false teaching. The words used are very clever in fostering a suspicion of the Holy Father, Pope Francis. As Catholics, we must follow and defend our Vicar of Christ and, most importantly, pray for him so that he may be strengthened by the Holy Spirit to faithfully serve and lead Christ’s flock.
      With regards to private revelations, no matter how well they may seem to fit with the current state of the world, they are not necessary for salvation and may well lead to loss of faith. If we fervently strive to live as Jesus challenged us, with the Sacraments of the Church to strengthen us, then we can live with hope and without fear for what may come. Pray, pray, pray for the conversion of sinners.
      God Bless,
      Paul.

  17. MuMu
    May 31, 2013

    Very droll, Cathy. I guess then that shows these apparitions are really ordinary housewives and NOT Our Blessed Mother…

    • Cathy
      May 31, 2013

      Yes the rest of the secular world considers the job of a housewife and mother droll and insignificant as well, my comment was meant in good humor…..but then it is hard to get emotion over a blog….

      • MuMu
        May 31, 2013

        I took your comment in good humour as it was meant, Cathy, and it is vital to use repetition to teach children — but also wanted to highlight that Our Lady is concise with her messages.
        The wife and mother who chooses to care for her husband, children and home is the most powerful and valuable person on earth, in my humble opinion.

  18. Larry
    Jun 13, 2013

    I had never heard of this “seer” before. I see from one quick look that she says the Second Coming is very near. This isn’t true. Many, many Church approved prophecies tell us that we will have a minor chastisement, followed by an era of peace. After that comes the antichrist and the end.

    That being said, have we grown so accustomed to the errors of our age that we don’t see what the new pope did on Holy Thursday with the horror that any pope would have prior to Vatican II?

    • jack scott
      Jun 21, 2013

      I so agree with Larry.How complacent have we as catholics become that we do not feel revulsion and grave sorrow at the actions of Pope francis on Holy Thursday. I think any catholic who is pleased with
      Pope Francis to date without any reservations is to pu it mildy lacking
      in any objectivity or any sense of our true and beautiful catholic faith.
      As others have said wait and see….By the look of things so far it will take momentous changes to make ordinary catholics sit up and take notice or show any concern at the disintegration of the faith.

  19. MuMu
    Jun 24, 2013

    Father Corrigan. This wonderful blog is being infested – again – with young schismatics who are routinely poisonous and, as Cathy says, disrespectful to the holy priesthood.

    Kick ‘em off, please, it’s an insult and a bore to have ‘em here. They are not true Catholics.

  20. Anne
    Jun 26, 2013

    Hello Mu Mu and others, I have been away and have missed this discussion, sorry its been interesting reading.
    I dont know who MDM is nor have I read any of her writings but I have “anxiety” in my gut and this refers to 2 Popes.
    “Peter” is the holder of the “Keys” (OT) Eliakim on behalf of the King (OT David) (NT Jesus) At this moment we have two “Peters” and as Catholics we believe that the Holy Spirit actually chooses the new Pope in the Conclave, what happened? did Holy Spirit make mistake 7 years ago when he chose Benedict? did He not know that Benedict would resign? or has the Holy Spirit made a mistake this time? Francis.
    I dont know the anwers but I am insecure. I am also unsure of the ongoing PR exercises of Francis. There is something which makes me uneasy but I dont know what it is.
    Like Jeff I just wait and hope that God has all things in HIs care.
    But the two “Peters” worry me.
    remembering that Benedict’s appellation is still H.H. Pope Benedict XVI, Pope Emeritus. and the new Pope is H.H. Pope Francis. (2 Holders of the Keys of the Kingdom)..hmmmmmm
    I am a Catholic and love my faith and hope for good but this state of two existing Popes causes confusion.

  21. teresa
    Jun 27, 2013

    Dear Father, we are not leaving our beautiful church at all!!! You cannot compare our times with St John of the Cross at all!! People were actually holy in his day — not ours. Our beautifull catholic church IS NO LONGER holy. Our Wonderful Savior is finally cleaning it up!! There cannot be 2 popes at one time. You should know that. What would happened in the time of King David when the Ark was touched in an UnGodly way — they died on the spot!!! At least Our Blessed Savior is more lenient with the hierarchy today!!! Blessed be God!! Come Lord Jesus and open the eyes of your clergy so they can see the truth – forgive them for they know not what they do.

  22. michael anderson
    Jun 29, 2013

    dear Father,
    thank you for speaking the truth. may GOD bless you and Mary and St. Michael protect you.
    michael anderson

  23. Michael Carroll
    Jul 6, 2013

    Dear Fr. John,
    I am a little concerned about two things pertaining to Pope Francis:
    1) His deliberate, and seemingly somewhat autocratic, lowering of the bar for canonization by allowing John XXIII to be canonized without a second miracle. I know and believe that John XXIII was a very good man, but are the requirements for sainthood being cheapened? Why is Francis doing this?
    2) The new encyclical, Lumen Fidei, seems to say many good things about the light of faith, and light in general, although I have only read part of it. Yet I am concerned that the word “discernment” does not occur, nor is there any mention of how Satan seeks to deceive and comes in the form of an “angel of light,” as St. Paul says in Corinthians.
    Please enlighten us (pun intended)!

    • Fr John
      Jul 7, 2013

      Yes, I must agree with you on the first point Michael. Insofar as I have asked myself the same questions. It is the pope’s prerogative of course. In a similar vein, Pope John Paul II was criticized for abolishing the role of “devil’s advocate” in the canonization process. So there is that sort of precedent in departing from the “saint-making” tradition. In fact, Francis’ decision is much less radical than John Paul’s, insofar as the abolition of the devil’s advocate affects every canonisation.

      I think your second point is a little harsh. We should remember that much of the text is in fact Benedict’s. Apart from that, since his election Pope Francis has frequently invoked the wickedness and snares of the devil in his preaching and addresses. And finally – and most importantly – we start judging popes by an impossible measure if we scrutinise what they don’t say in any given moment.